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THANK GOODNESS, is all I'm saying right now! Monsterous, as well as most of the other Treasure Card damage enchants have been marked "NO PVP", along with all the enchanted spells they produce.

In lower level PVP, one of those enchants can double; Even TRIPLE; The damage of a rank 1-4 spell due to how strong they are and how easy they are to farm from Vestrilund ( which is already a popular farming spot for gold ), so they were VERY broken in low level PVP. Especially if they're used to enchant rank 2 DOTs like Fire Elf.

By removing these treasure cards from PVP, lower level PVP returns to what it's supposed to be: A contest of skill, wit, and proper shield and healing usage, instead of a contest of who has the most Monsterous in their sideboard.

Oh, and this doesn't take these cards away from those who rely on them to solo quest. Some people really struggle to solo without that extra damage output, especially Life and Ice.

So yeah, +1 for you, KI.

low lvl pvp rn can't really be accurately looked at because of the exploit that lets grandmasters queue against lvl 1-49s but ignoring that all i've really seen the pre enchant ban update do is encourage more use of jading.
should be fairly obvious too, without +175s or other pre enchanted hits, low lvl simply doesn't have the damage output to do enough to jades whatsoever, jades need to be addressed if they truly want to make low lvl pvp a thing again.

Low level PvP is in a TERRIBLE state at the moment! Higher level players are taking off gear to be put into a lower tier for the matchmaking system. Matchmaking desperately needs to be revamped. This is an awful exploit and KI needs to fix this as soon as possible. @ratbeard @falme @greyrose @the entire kingsisle company.

i am kind of replying to a few things. First of all the guy who said that removing enchants for low level pvp was a good thing. I disagree ( although once again I have adapted) what Ki doesn't seem to understand is that there are still players that have pets that give -80 resist to at least 3 schools, without enhancements it is impossible to win. On top of that i would like to suggest that pvp tournaments and ranked should be from level 10 in tours to level 19. At level 20 adepts have a really big advantage. People level 10-19 have the same chances for the same gear and depending if you are lazy or not both can get good pets. At level 20 the gear changes there are jewels that can be put on that greatly increases your stats. I am level 17 and have fought level 10 with better stats than me ( good for them :) ) All that removing enchants in low level pvp has done is make lower levels use the 7 pip and higher treasure cards. A level 20 can one hit me with a fire dragon or scarecrow or in some cases orthus and that is through 65 resist .People do not use in most cases their own cards such as reindeer knight , deer knight etc unless is in a classic because decks are too small for initiates and journeymen .So it would have been a lot easier and a lot more fair to make say a card like gargantuan available to all in bazaar. It would also have made it more fair to the people who have spent time farming for sunions and for lore spells. I have spent months on wiz farming. Others were to lazy to do the work so complain. Same as deckathalon decks. People are complaining about them yet the deckathalon is held in wiz city . is available to everyone and everyone has the same life etc no matter what their level. It is a question of putting in the work. It is sad that people who are willing to put in the work are being constantly punished for it because others complain . I know KI that you tend to think of pvp as a max level thing but i have 5 accounts , have been playing wiz since right out of Beta and have done pvp at all levels and right now my preference is journeyman . I pay for my accounts and I think the level I pvp at should be my choice. A lot of the stuff you have done are probably wonderful for high levels but at low levels it has ruined it for many. I would like to thank you though for trying . I know it is not easy. I would also like to say that changing gear etc at the new age is not really fair. Every age since the first has had to deal with the fights to get their gear against people who already have it. We have worked hard and paid our dues. when i start new characters in the arena I always fight against people with gear till i get to commander and can get my own. It is a right of passage for my newbies. you win some you lose some . Now people at least have the ability to do tournaments to get more tickets and get the gear that is level not rank related .I think it is a big mistake to take our gear . Thank you all for listening. I just feel that these rights of passage are what makes you good. you learn through trial and error and in the end come out stronger .

I didn't mention anything in my post that's been confirmed to be worked on in the dev letters. The exploit to face lower levels is obviously not an intended feature and will get taken care of, hence it being called an exploit. Another thing I didn't mention was specific school pet resist because, like we've been told by the devs, resist and damage are getting a rework so there's very little merit in talking about "resist caps" or "banning ward talents" or "resist being too high when somebody sets". I also didn't mention matchmaking because the devs already confirmed that we'll get a warning for facing a player over 10 levels higher than you, which means that matchmaking is also a work in progress and will improve.

What I did give feedback on was exactly what the reason for banning tc enchants was for; to affect the pace of matches and create a lower entry barrier for new players. The pace of even level matches in a non-set, non-high -level-tc match is very good and we don't need damage enchants, increased damage, or pierce at lower levels to make it more aggro.

I'll label the best stats you can achieve for every level band from 1-49, combining Commander hat/robe/boots, Sky Iron Hasta for levels 30+, and a triple damage double resist pet (22% damage and 15% resist), combined with the Duelist's Fatal Razor and Duelist's Daredevil Ring for each appropriate level. I'll use the Death school as the example for stats because it's in the middle health-wise and damage per pip wise with its spells:

Level 10: 910 health, 50% damage, 50% resist. Unbuffed Banshee would do 206 (23% of opponent's health) for 3 pips.
Level 20: 1245 health, 56% damage, 50% resist. Unbuffed Vampire would do 273 damage (22% of opponent's health) for 4 pips.
Level 30: 1595 health, 69% damage, 50% resist, 1% pierce. Unbuffed Vampire would do 301 damage (19% of opponent's health) for 4 pips.
Level 40: 1920 health, 74% damage, 1% pierce. Unbuffed Vampire would do 311 damage (16% of opponent's health) for 4 pips.

At levels 10-20 it takes roughly 4 unbuffed, non-lore spell 4 pip attacks to take out your opponent. At level 30 it takes 5. and at level 40 it takes about 6. Once you factor in blades/traps, heal reductions (Infections), shields, bubbles, and minion chip damage + shield removal, it seems to me like the amount of damage dealt (and therefore pace) is fine in a non-set environment. This is also excluding the Vulpine Avenger mount which gives 2% pierce, the Immortal Lore Pack wands which give high damage and pierce and extremely powerful maycast attacks, and pierce pet talents which would all be seen in a more aggro setup. There is also no gear at any of those level ranges that gives more resist than the gear I listed above.

What you're all complaining about seems to be that players will set resist to one or two schools with their pet (10% Proof, 15% Ward, 10% school-proof) and get 75% resist to those schools. Your solutions are all to increase damage output so you can deal with 75% resist. If that happens, then the damage output when facing non-set resist would be too high because your aggro stats would be designed for 75. This exact thought process is what's lead to max level PvP becoming so aggro, and lots of people are complaining about the pace at higher levels being too fast. The correct solution is to deal with the amount of resist being able to be obtained itself, which is what KI is doing with their resist rework.

Sword tree stated: "Back in first age, I would enchant my hits with tough or giant, whatever I could afford to buy...PvP king is saying it is balanced for us to use lower-than-first age damage hits to vs 4th-5th age resist/heal set ups.you cannot cut damage in half while doing nothing to resist and heals and maintain any kind of game balance."

I'm glad you mentioned 1st age, because that's an age I know very well and 1st age just so happens to be a time where damage talents on pets didn't exist and there was no such thing as wands, rings or athames that gave damage (Sky Iron Hasta, Duelist's Fatal Razor, Duelist's Daredevil Ring which all came out in 2nd age), and armor pierce didn't exist until after the Zafaria expansion. The most popular pets at the time were SPUD pets (Spritely, Proof, Unicorn, Defy; 2 maycast healing talents and 14% resist). At the time, the highest damage setups would run 22% damage and 49% resist. Even with a Tough, Strong or even a Monstrous enchant, your hits would be doing less than they do now with the 74% damage and 1% pierce available. Let's compare the same Vampire spell with the best First Age stats on a Monstrous TC which is stronger than the enchants you mentioned you were fine with:

350+115(175*0.66 due to how enchants worked at the time)*1.22*0.49 = 289 damage.

It seems to me like your golden standard for damage in First Age was actually lower after enchants than in the modern meta without enchants. It's crazy how we do post-enchant First Age damage without enchants in the 4th age, right? And now without enchants, we're basically using already enchanted First Age attacks without the RNG of needing to pull an enchanted hit from your sideboard, which is the most common complaint about banning pre-enchants. Unless you want to retract your statement about being happy with First Age damage, I see this as a very positive step forward. And according to how happy you said you were with the damage you dealt in 1st Age, so do you.

Sword tree said: "Nerfing the pet infallible served no purpose that I can see."

May cast Infallible's cast rate was nerfed because it's a 5 turn buff that gives you 15% armor pierce at virtually no cost, which is actually far more powerful than the may cast damage aura meta we have now. The swing factor that may cast Infallible provided was insane. If you got Icebirded, Storm Beetled, Hephaestus, Gaze of Fate, or used any blade and got a free 15% pierce out of it, you gained way too much offensive momentum and it was uncounterable especially at the rate it casted. I don't know how anyone could say that wasn't a problem.

"PvP King claims that minions were useless because they were way too easy to kill. We know this is not true because many good players were using minions...clockwork paladin was hands down the most popular pet for low level pvp and even with enchanted tc it was pretty overpowered."

Clockwork Paladin and other minions were powerful "in the past 2 years" because of the First Turn Advantage before Turn Base came out. You could not react to minions from 2nd because even if you predicted with an AoE , they weren't considered part of the match and couldn't be targeted. This gave the player going first a turn to shield and minion and let it survive a hit that the player going 2nd used. A 50% shield effectively meant you had to deal 1100 damage (550 health) with a 4 pip hit to kill the minion for an equal pip trade, and a 70% shield meant you had to deal 1834 damage with 4 pips to have an equal pip trade and still kill the minion, which was impossible. Minions were basically a free way to get a huge pip advantage and were known to be significantly worse from second than from first. Now that Turn Based is around, minions are actually not powerful at all in a meta where enchants exist since they can be AoE'd immediately to both kill the minion and deal significant damage to the caster of the minion.

"High damage strategies weren't way overpowered because many of the top ranked players were using high resist, ward pets, etc, with ice and life being very strong schools."

We've already been over this. Saying that damage output wasn't high because players decided to take advantage of Ward talents and the broken amount of resist you could have isn't a valid argument. Countering overpowered resist with overpowered damage just makes somebody who doesn't go for overpowered resist get OHKO'd or 2HKO'd. As I previously stated, the highest universal resist you can get at levels 1-49 is 50% and the only way you can increase it is to use a pet with specific school resist and bump it up to 80% if you commit your entire pet to resisting one school. The devs already confirmed that a resist rework is happening. They took care of the damage at low level, and now they are taking care of the resist. Again, low level PvP is going in the right direction..

"Pvp King said Monstrous enchants weren't useful to new players because some people have colossal enchants. That doesn't even make any sense...it was pretty possible to rank to warlord with monstrous and new and young players would not be high enough ranked to be facing experienced high rank players with using colossal."

I don't know why you're changing my words. I never said that Monstrous enchants weren't useful, I said that having an enchant that buffs my hit by 300 damage vs someone who is only able to enchant hits with +175 damage or may not even carry them at all is an astronomical difference. The 300 enchanted Colossal hits are doing 125 more base damage than an enchanted hit with Monstrous. Considering you're disappointed that you can no longer enchant +75/+100 damage enchants in your golden era First Age PvP because they made such a massive difference to your hits, 125 damage per hit seems like quite a lot. You saying that newer players never faced warlords with enchants.....you're aware of how many complaints there are of Privates going against lower level Warlords with better stats and TC, right?

"If pvp is better now, why is everyone gone?"

Lower level players aren't doing PvP because of the exploit that you mentioned about high level wizards queueing with no critical/block to enter Beginner tier and then change their gear to face lower level players with a massive advantage. Look at where level 60 PvP went after the changes. Most of those players leveled up to level 99 to take advantage of the queue at a higher level and now level 60 PvP is a barren wasteland. The issue is a matchmaking issue and not a meta issue.

"Pvp King,I can't really follow any numerical analysis that hand-waves away 60-70% resist and ignores healing bonuses...even with with only 50% resist, it's more than fixed with a 1 pip sprite with a modest heal boost."

I've told you numerous times now that resist is getting reworked in the future. PvP is in a transitional phase and they can't fix every problem all in one go. KI realized that damage output and resist were a problem, so they decided to deal with the damage first and resist is coming next. I have huge doubts that low levels will have an easy time going above 50% resist in the future. This is the last time I'm going to comment on "60/70% resist" because you ignoring that KI openly stated hundreds of times that they plan to fix resist makes it look like you're here to complain about resist just because you want to complain. I'm not here to reply to complaints that have been answered over and over again. I'm here to have a discussion about where PvP is at after the changes so the devs have an idea of where players think the game is. I'm simply answering your questions with a mind that resist is going to be around 50% which is where it should be.

Sprite out-healing a Vampire is a valid point and I don't disagree with that. However, Sprite is by far the highest heal-per-pip spell in the game healing at 300 per pip and is far and above where every other heal is in the game. The next rank Pixie spell heals only 200 per pip in comparison. That's an issue with Sprite itself and not the damage being dealt. I find heals balanced since heals are essentially capped at 4 pips (Satyr being the highest rank trained heal for every school except Life) while higher pip attacks are available and can therefore out-damage a heal. This also means more copies of attacks can be carried in decks than copies of heals since there is a larger variety of hits, allowing decks to out-damage the amount of heals in a deck aside from TC which is also getting restricted in the future. It is also far easier to buff an attack than it is to buff a heal since buffing heals is exclusive to the Life school while all schools can buff damage. Heal boost is also extremely low at low level so that's hardly even relevant.

"I'm willing to believe that the prior system can be made better but the current half baked situation is terrible."

That's a pretty terrible way to look at it. I don't understand how you can think the prior system was fixable but that this one is an unfixable one even though it's not the complete product. You came here with claims that you were satisfied with the amount of damage being dealt in First Age.

I told you that damage was lower in First Age after enchants than it is now without enchants, and you said you were happy with First Age post-enchant damage. Your only argument so far has been the high resist available which is already going to be reworked in the future, and like I said, I highly doubt it will be easy for low levels to go far beyond 50% resist. If you want to see where the audts will take low level PvP, join the Wizard101 Central Low Level PvP Tournaments where resist is capped at 50%, high level TCs are banned and various overpowered spells are banned or limited. The low level tournaments are very balanced and it's a pretty good picture of where low level PvP would go.

"PvpKing, you kind of fixated on my mention of first age hits, even back then we had some level of enchants but did not have to face people with wards, fortify, etc...The larger point is you cannot cut damage in half while doing nothing to resist and heals and maintain any kind of game balance."

Wards & resist comment - See resist audit.
Fortify comment - See TC restrictions and Maycast audit

Cutting damage in half while doing nothing to resist and heals comment - I clearly explained to you that damage has scaled up by 52% compared to what it used to be, and showed you that we're doing more damage without enchants than we were previously with enchants. Universal resist has not gone up and remains 50% as it used to. If you're worried about resist because of Ward pets, see Wards & resist comment above. If you're still worried about it, then repeat the process until you acknowledge that there will be a resist audit.

"KI nerfed may cast Infallible while doing nothing to Fortify."

See maycast audit.

"The old system was actually pretty balanced."

See my Monstrous Sunbird vs Monstrous Phoenix comparison.

"Saying that some months from now this plan will be fully implemented is no excuse for the current mess."

I thought earlier you were saying that you were sick of KI providing you half baked solutions. Thankfully the devs have been putting out every update one at a time and gathering player feedback in between before moving forwar for literally every single update.

"If you severely nerf one side of this while not touching the other, that it becomes unbalanced."

Yeah. Damage went up by 52% while non-set resist stayed the same. Thankfully they took away enchants as damage vs a non-set player got out of hand.

"Another issue is that many of us don't like to rely on main deck hits. That adds a lot of RNG to the game, how long it takes to find the card you need."

I don't understand where people come up with the idea that pulling one card at a time from your sideboard isn't RNG but automatically pulling 1-7 cards from your main deck every turn is. If there's a secret function from your sideboard that lets you pull exactly what card you want from it at any time, please let me know because I'm clearly missing something. If you have a problem with card draw RNG in general, then a card game isn't for you. This isn't chess. RNG will always exist.

"I don't think most of my friends knew about the queue exploit. I think they looked at their cards being marked no pvp on that first day and they left."

This sounds like confirmation bias. If your friends all really did quit on the first day of changes then I'm glad "few of them inclined to give KI feedback" like you claimed they did in an earlier post because they really don't have a right in giving feedback at all if they haven't even cared to try the new metagame.

"If ranked queue were the issue, they would be playing tournaments."

Funny enough a 2v2 tournament just ended and there were plenty of level 30 teams. I currently see 10 Turn Based 1v1 tournaments and tournaments the bottom 5 divisions are all below level 50 and completely filled.

"The decision to make these divisions in ranked is just bad."

See matchmaking update coming up.

"All around, these changes are not improving the game."

According to what the dev letters suggest, you're in the minority here.

To end, I'm not going to act like I'm immune to distaste towards changes that change the way I play or force me to adapt to something entirely different. To this day I strongly dislike that we can't multiply cards with an enchant + Reshuffle because that mechanic added a whole new depth to the game. I dislike the fact that there's a timer that forces matches to end rather than creating an "artificial timer" to ensure a player cannot survive forever, like heal dampening, since the Diego timer forces you to play a certain way and can feel really unrewarding. I may not like these changes and have strong beliefs that the game is better with/without them, but I see the merit in why those changes were made. At the end of the day, instead of constantly complaining about them, I've adapted to those changes and suggested feedback on how I feel they could be improved on. I suggest you do the same with enchants because I can almost guarantee you the old system is never coming back.