people are not doing 4 vs 4 pvp any more, you only see death schools team up in there, who ever goes first wins the match pretty much, no way to defend from weakness, bad juju, stun, dispel, blades shatter, beguile etc, in my honest opinion I will never play pvp any more and instead of playing this game 2 to 3 hours a day that will change to 1 because pvm is not that fun, do you see how beast moons seems fair? that's because there are not such spells like the ones I described (pvp barely 10 players on it) (beastmoon 5 matches at the same time having 12 people playing on each match)