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I personally think they should take the TC out of P.V.P its not fair using them for normal players that try to fight right and no spam tc shields and all that i dont like the idea with tc being in player vs player people just need to fight right! I quit a long time ago because of that i use to have pvp captain till everyone use them so till they stop the tc then ill do pvp again no one wants tc in pvp!

paul walker, exalted life
pvp knight

promancer55 on Jan 21, 2015 wrote:

I personally think they should take the TC out of P.V.P its not fair using them for normal players that try to fight right and no spam tc shields and all that i dont like the idea with tc being in player vs player people just need to fight right! I quit a long time ago because of that i use to have pvp captain till everyone use them so till they stop the tc then ill do pvp again no one wants tc in pvp!

paul walker, exalted life
pvp knight

It is entirely fair for TC to be within PVP since anyone, including you, can use them. A good PVPer adapts and there are many who have adapted to fight against TC without using them themselves. TC are also not instant wins. They even the odds for those who are fighting opponents that are higher levels than themselves(low level warlords are perfect examples of those who learned how to properly use them) and if you don't learn it correctly you will fall. Admittedly if high levels use them on lower levels it'll get annoying.

Now if you think that if people use them it is unfair I have something to say that I've said to many others. People are not going to 'fight fair' in the arena. They can and will do anything short of hacking to win. They do not know nor care what you believe fair is. What can you do? The exact same thing. Use their tactics against them. If it involves TC, find good TC to complement your deck and use them. But do not claim something is unfair when the advantage it gives can be given to anyone.

No one wants TC in PVP? Aside from that being an absolute I'd say the fact that this topic alone exists disproves that.

New Sentiment on Jan 23, 2015 wrote:

This seems like a good idea at first glance, however TC is a integral part of most people's pvp deck. For those who don't/can't train extremely useful spells such as weakness, black mantle, or tower shields. These spells are mostly use for stalling tactics to build up pips for a stronger spell but without them it loses a lot of playability. Though I do agree with you that people do abuse this by spamming spells 50 levels beyond their usage. Finding a balance would be very hard.

As much as I see your point, I can't agree with you. You are arguing like I am suggesting taking away TC all together. The majority of your post is stating the usefulness of TC, which I fully understand. I don't dispute your claim that TC is useful, but I don't want them banned. I want there to be a choice so everyone can choose. So a person like yourself who believes TC is useful can battle others who have the same belief. And people who don't won't have to face players like you. In the end everyone comes out of the match relatively happy. I don't see why you are taking a defensive stance towards TC.

promancer55 on Jan 21, 2015 wrote:

I personally think they should take the TC out of P.V.P its not fair using them for normal players that try to fight right and no spam tc shields and all that i dont like the idea with tc being in player vs player people just need to fight right! I quit a long time ago because of that i use to have pvp captain till everyone use them so till they stop the tc then ill do pvp again no one wants tc in pvp!

paul walker, exalted life
pvp knight

I think your opinion is valid. And you are entitled to your opinion, however, I can't agree with you. Due to the blunder in rank PvP, TC became extremely popular to deal with the relevant issues. Though I must admit several players exploits the fact, and still uses TC even when they don't need them, for example: in practice PvP.

This suggestion is so players like you can play simliar players. So you won't have to worry about the other players who believe they need TC or who integrate TC into thier play.

If you expected me to take a side, I sincerely apologize. I believe that taking away the choice to use TC would just take us backwards, and then in the future you might see another post like mines asking for the choice to use TC as well.

So instead of banning TC or forcing players to use TC, there would be a choice. No one would have to quit, no one would have to complain.

Although several have pointed out the issue with the ranked matching system, I also suggested that there be settings that allow players to choose, level and PvP rating so that the matching system can go smoothly thus allowing the TC choice suggestion to be implemented easily.

If TC were banned, Commander gear would be a problem, and there would be less counters to certain strategies.

If i wasn't max level, i'd spam shields, and Multiply my heals and shields, and force a late game fight. This would effectively make my Multiplication strategy Overpowered.

Say for Balance, I'd multiply scorpions shields and availing hands -> Samoorai for pressure
Summon a Mander, or a Clockwork to help with shields and weaknesses. From there, I would pile elemental / Spirit defuses.

You could blade stack, You wouldn't have enough damage Via blade stacking to kill me, and with my heal boost I'd just control the match and win. Since Resist + Healing > Damage at all levels below 100 (Even 90's) You'ed effectively restore a hierarchy of Tanking. Don't forget, that if you blade stack, you don't have damage going down on my mander.

10/10 I support this notion.

If you argue for level 30 PvP, You just lose the ability to multiply hits and heals. With Rank 6 attacks doing 300 damage Max, and shields being even more efficient, I could just max shuffles cloaks and run a minion deck with a few hits for finishers. (Use a Healing pet.)

The counter to this, Would be fire. Link would be even stronger than it already is. (I'll give you a hint, The game doesn't need this game mode.)

Eric Legendtamer on Jan 31, 2015 wrote:

If TC were banned, Commander gear would be a problem, and there would be less counters to certain strategies.

If i wasn't max level, i'd spam shields, and Multiply my heals and shields, and force a late game fight. This would effectively make my Multiplication strategy Overpowered.

Say for Balance, I'd multiply scorpions shields and availing hands -> Samoorai for pressure
Summon a Mander, or a Clockwork to help with shields and weaknesses. From there, I would pile elemental / Spirit defuses.

You could blade stack, You wouldn't have enough damage Via blade stacking to kill me, and with my heal boost I'd just control the match and win. Since Resist + Healing > Damage at all levels below 100 (Even 90's) You'ed effectively restore a hierarchy of Tanking. Don't forget, that if you blade stack, you don't have damage going down on my mander.

10/10 I support this notion.

If you argue for level 30 PvP, You just lose the ability to multiply hits and heals. With Rank 6 attacks doing 300 damage Max, and shields being even more efficient, I could just max shuffles cloaks and run a minion deck with a few hits for finishers. (Use a Healing pet.)

The counter to this, Would be fire. Link would be even stronger than it already is. (I'll give you a hint, The game doesn't need this game mode.)

...Are you saying you don't like the suggestion? Or that you do? And what do you mean about banning TC? When did I say I want to ban TC? You stratergy sounds nice, but it is a little off topic. You said the game doesn't need this game mode, which implies you don't like the suggestion, but I don't want to assume. So can you please clarify?

If my hunch is correct, and you don't like the suggestion. Then can you tell me why? And please don't say that TC is important and you shouldn't ban it, because I am not suggesting banning TC.

DarkWIZard98x on Feb 3, 2015 wrote:

I dont think they should be banned but limited to players who are higher level that only they can use. For example wild bolt needs restrictions from low level wizards or insane bolt tc to stop low level bolt spammers from winning fights with one lucky hit. Spamming wild Bolt or insane bolt is just a cheap win and isnt fair to players who fight fair with strategy. Everything else though is fair game in the arena.

Darkwizard98x

I think that the worst idea ever

insane bolt i agree needs to be removed from pvp like they did with the tc

but wild bolt no

and making it for certain level is silly everybody should be able to use tc when they want there ways around it and you have the option of having the same tc

and anybody think it only should be for certain level is just wanting it out of lower level hand so they can win

and turhtfully lower level work harder then anybody else to get to there level because they are always at a disadvantage till they get to a good level and anybody that is a warlord at that level should be rewarded for there hard work

last thing making it like this would only hurt lower level players who do rank and then they wont stand a chance against fighting the bigger level

so how would that be fair also that wasn't even what this topic was about this topic about making a option where we can pick if we want Tc or not in the battle

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sliver moon wolf on Feb 4, 2015 wrote:

Darkwizard98x

I think that the worst idea ever

insane bolt i agree needs to be removed from pvp like they did with the tc

but wild bolt no

and making it for certain level is silly everybody should be able to use tc when they want there ways around it and you have the option of having the same tc

and anybody think it only should be for certain level is just wanting it out of lower level hand so they can win

and turhtfully lower level work harder then anybody else to get to there level because they are always at a disadvantage till they get to a good level and anybody that is a warlord at that level should be rewarded for there hard work

last thing making it like this would only hurt lower level players who do rank and then they wont stand a chance against fighting the bigger level

so how would that be fair also that wasn't even what this topic was about this topic about making a option where we can pick if we want Tc or not in the battle

level 100
level 79
level 18

Exactly, well said.

Invitirion on Feb 7, 2015 wrote:

Why does everyone keep saying TC shouldn't be banned? Is it a post I didn't see? This thread have nothing to do with banning TC. If someone does comment about banning TC however, I would say you have to read my original post. I am not saying TC should be banned or that they are bad, all I really want to see is players having a good time enjoying what they are best at. Not all players are good at using TC, which in my opinion I think was introduced in the game to be trump cards to make wizards stronger. And not all players are good without the use of TC. Why play when you can't play at your best? If an option is made so players can choose which type of match suits them best I'm sure PvP would be more popular with those that only PvE. Also players would benefit more since their strategies would suit them and they would go up against similar opponents who will have similar parameters. Nothing is better than trying your hardest to succeed when you know there is a chance of success. That spurs on development, creativity, intelligence and intellect. What PvP is now is just a slaughter-fest that teaches others that TC is necessary. Why judge a fish on how it climbs a tree?

It's because they just read the first topic