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Complaining vs. Feedback

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Champion
Apr 18, 2010
407
I have seen topics about such and such being unfair, then replies calling the author a complainer. Yes sometimes they are complaining, but there is also a time when it is feedback. Now I am gonna say a single sentence based upon what this whole topic is about. Pvp will never be 100% fair. It is ignorant to say that pvp will always be perfectly balanced for there will always be something unbalancing the system, even is it is a tiny flaw. This being said, not every post is about a mistake being found, but sometimes someone losing to something so they complain about it, let me explain the difference.

A complaint usually is posted because the poster lost to something in pvp, so s/he thinks its unfair. The posts mostly look like this:

I think critical is unfair because I can die in one hit I did a pvp and I had 200 health left and i put up a shield but the attack hit critical so I died, unfair! KI ban critical now

You can tell that the reason why the imaginary person is complaining is because s/he lost to critical but has no facts why it is unfair.

Now this is what feedback should look like:

I personally think critical unbalances pvp. Any school (besides ice) can sacrifice the little resist they have for about a 25% chance of critical. This seems fair but when you add in vengeance, it can range between 42% (ice wizards) and 50% (storm wizards.) I am sorry but sacrificing 36% resist to two schools isn't much of a drawback when you can have a 50% chance to double your damage.
I think critical is unfair not because I lose to it, but because how easily I win with it.

This person used actual facts in wizard101 to give feedback to KI. This
person above wasn't complaining but found a fault in the pvp system so s/he is telling KI about it. Though there is a stereotype "complainer" which is someone complaining about losing in pvp. This means even people trying to give good feedback to KI still get told by the community to stop complaining. Simply everything posted that has to do with any imbalance in pvp is just thought of as a complaint. Now this leads me to the next part, how to reply. This is something that no one ever looks at but there is begging, feedback, and agreeing.

Agreeing is obvious.

Begging tends to look like this:
Stop complaining, maybe its your strategy not critical. Critical is not unfair and I repeat, not unfair.

The imaginary poster above didn't put any facts in his/her post. He/she is not explaining why it is fair but simply saying that it is. Now, begging can look like anything though, it simply means your posting because you don't want the spell to change, not because you think its fair. So if you see a post about ice being unfair, don't say that it is fair becuase you (the ice wizard) don't want your power taken away. Though if you have stats or facts that can prove your point, then its called feedback. You are giving feedback to the author on why s/he is wrong.

-Solstice64


Adherent
May 20, 2010
2902
Solstice64 wrote:
Pvp will never be 100% fair.



I've made this point for 20 years. It's something that non-programmers can't seem to understand. No matter what's done, something will still be unbalanced. Fix one thing and you break others. I've never been on any kind of (M)MORPG that didn't have this ongoing problem.

The programmers do the best that they can, but it's never going to be completely balanced.

Champion
Apr 18, 2010
407
colagada wrote:

I've made this point for 20 years. It's something that non-programmers can't seem to understand. No matter what's done, something will still be unbalanced. Fix one thing and you break others. I've never been on any kind of (M)MORPG that didn't have this ongoing problem.

The programmers do the best that they can, but it's never going to be completely balanced.


Finally someone that understands that whole concept.