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I don't use my tresasure cards unless there buffs, as a balance student I have a bit of buffs and debuffs. I beat another wizard over 10 levels ahead of me by using my buffs to my strongest spell, witch at the time was locast sworm and the banshee. I had 2 main buffs, balanceblade and some other one that's +30% power. Altogether with my spell came out at around 700 hit points , for a level 13 wizard that's preatty good right?

treasure CARDS SHOULDNT BE BANNED I THINK THEY SHOULD BE MORE AS IN A SURPRISE TO OTHER PLAYERS BUT I AGREE THAT THE TOWER SHIELD THING IS JUST STALLING I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD approve your deck in the library and become this dictionary that says you can only have this much of this card like three tower shields max and two stormzillas two tritons etc

erv7 wrote:

Firefly555 wrote:

yes please ban treasure cards from pvp and then make it menu chat only.
Consider rewarding players for being helpful to other players to encourage good behavior on the game. pvp has created a hateful atmosphere.

we should not ban treasure cards it helps you be prepared for bigger monster or evil people like mailistare if he replies to me ill scream

Um... I only said that treasure cards shouldn't be used in ranked arena matches, you don't fight Malistaire in the arena.
P.S. If there is an administrator who fights in ranked matches, you probably have had this experience too. It isn't making the duels very fun so please give us your opinion as well.

Thank you for your input on the current state of the Player vs Player system.

I just wanted to let you know that we have changes to stun planned for a future update, and we are going to look at the 'treasure card factory' problem.

I totally think we need treasures in the arena. For one I like to beef up my attacks sometimes with "strong." I like to decrease their fizzle rate with "keen eyes." I would not do this for any other reason besides duels.
Also we NEED tower shields in the arena. How else are we going to be able to defend ourselves against balance players?? I never enter the arena without my tower packed, nor would I.
The only 2 treasure cards that I see abused in the arena and stuns and wild bolts.
Please please do not take away treasures for the arena, they help so much and are very srategic.
I love the arena and would hate to see it so drastically changed by not being able to use treasure cards.

There is nothing strategic about discarding and towering every other round. It makes duels boring, a pain, and last unecessarily long. You can get tower shields from the ice school, so you will still have defense against balance players.

The main reason you want treasure cards is because it makes it easy to win, no skill required. You complained about wild bolts, the only reason people "spam" them is because they can use Keen Eyes on it. Factor in your accuracy increase from clothes, and you have a pretty good chance of it not fizzling.

I suggest getting rid of Treasure cards; not only will this balance out the game, but choosing your secondary schools will actually MATTER. Why go ice if you can just Treasure tower spam?

There is actually a lot of strategy in discarding to use a treasure card. What do you get rid of? Will you need it later in the duel? There is plenty of strategy in how you choose to use treasure cards. If you are having difficulty with getting rid of tower shields try a damage over time spell. Fire elves are great for this. Two pips to get rid of up to four tower shields, and any fire shields your opponent may have up.

Wild Bolts are what they are. They are a bit unfair, but I have seen more people lose duels who spam them. Those people sacrifice three turns on average to successfully deal 1000 - 1200 damage (assuming they aren't storm, and don't have blades for them) unless in that time you are able to shield. I try to make sure I put up some sort of shield if I see a non-storm wizard fizzle a storm spell.

Getting rid of treasure cards creates an imbalance, and necessitates that if you plan on dueling in PvP given the current matching system that you will need to take ice school to use tower shields against balance school wizards who are difficult to defend against.

There are many reasons to choose ice school as a secondary. Even taking it only to get towers, you also get a fire/storm shield, and all shields that are not the same card will stack, so using ice tower shields stacked with a treasure tower shield you can reduce a judgement spell to less than 25% damage. Also treasure cards are a finite supply. They are not replenished if you reshuffle, so if you take a longer time against someone only using treasure towers, even if they put up one every other round, and have twenty, they will run out after forty rounds. Also, if you wait and knock out a few at a time with a damage over time spell they will run out faster, and will have openings that will allow you to hit them unshielded.

Do you loose you Treasure cards once you use them in pvp battle

I agree completely, I have had ice students resort to using rebirth treasure cards because they were the only one left in a ranked 4v4. Once all his partners were brought back to life, he used another one a turn or two later healing them all and making them impossible to kill. We lost they won. As for the tower shields issue, if one wishes to block a balance attack, one should actually LEARN THE SPELL. Having treasure cards to block balance spells with it should only be usable if you have actually learned it.
Using it as a treasure card sort of defeats the purpose. If you're too lazy to learn the spell, and you buy a trillion treasure cards, it ruins the whole concept of the pvp matches.

bim1997 wrote:

skbronco6 wrote:

Treasure cards can keep a match going forever or cause a match to end in a minute. Also, it isn't as much fun battling someone with say 20 tower shield treasure cards in a ranked match. In practice matches it would be fine because there is nothing at stake but it takes the fun out of ranked matches when people are just using suked up treasure cards to win every battle.

I completely disagree with you. There is a limited amount of treasure cards that you can hold, so you can't just go and say, 'Treasure cards make the match go on and on for like FOREVER!' It's hard to collect treasure cards or make them. THey earned it and they should have the right to use it! IT's like saying ' Life wizards, don't use heals or Myth, don't summon minions or Death, don't use traps.' Anyone can use it, and that what makes PvP fun! You are challenghed, unlike PvE. YOu have to use different spells and think of strategies!

Limited amount of treasure cards? That "limit" is what makes games last two hours, which is frankly ridiculous. You sound like you're not even speaking from experience, have you even been in a duel where you aren't physically able to deal more damage than your opponents can heal/shield with treasure cards?

In an earlier post, someone said treasure cards come at a price, couple hours killing enemies in dragonspyre, and you can get 30,000 gold. That's pretty much enough for a life-time supply of treasure towers.

As for them being "hard to collect", that's also not true. If you know anything about treasure cards, you know how people make them. I can make about 100 cards in 20 minutes (only certain spells can be made into treasure cards though, mind you). Which basically just means, get a friend who is a storm wizard to make you some wild bolts, and a life wizard to make you some dryads/rebirths.

With the recent update of the spells, PvP has been completely thrown out of the "balance" loop. And with the addition of people spamming treasure cards, it made PvP for me un-enjoyable. So i'm patiently awaiting for this supposed fix to the stun madness, and balancing out these crazy new spells.

Really wish people would stop throwing around banning like it is always the solution.


There are two reasons to ban something, either it creates an NPE, negative play experiance, for the majority of people playing, or it creates a situation you can't get around. Since in 80% of the cases it is actually how you get around a situation it isn't the second. As far as NPE, are you capable of contending with it? yes. Are the same options available to you? With some effort yes. Do you have to do it or you can't possibly win? No. Then your not forced into it, it isn't the only way to win, not going to create a true NPE. Now when you get you butt handed to you by a treasure card, your not happy about it, but it isn't a walk away from the game experiance.

If people want to start talking about restricting what you can use in the arena then wait until there is some semblence of balance in the levels. As it is right now, the only reason I haven't gone through and leveled the playing field with treasure cards traded from my high level to low level is because I'm still messing around with the arena and killing time until I get the tickets I need to buy the gear I want, then I'll push for ranking.

Do I think that a level 16 using a 7 pip card is annoying, yes because that isn't the power level of the character, do I expect it, occasionally. Very rarely are you going to be surprised when your going to be hit with a massive spell, get used to judging what your opponent is wearing. Are they mismatched and hodgpodged? Probably not going to have a hidden nuke, because they are scraping by. They wearing old crown gear that is black on anything else? You're probably about to get your butt handed to you, because they have both the time, and the money at one point to gather things slowly.

In the end, the game has a very CCG style to combat. Your schools limit what your base cards are, but the side board is where you have real choices right before a match, the people who put the effort into stocking it with what they want will have an edge, if you don't pack anything to hedge your bet if they do it was by your choice. On my main I had six monsterous Stormzillas, just in case something went horribly wrong. Didn't use them until dragonspyre bosses, but kept them there in case. If you don't want to use treasure cards don't, but know other people are going to. Put something in there in the event everything has gone wrong because of someone's spell, maybe trade someone for scarecrows? Then you know you can at least fight back if someone else doesn't decided to follow your own personal rules on treaure cards.

I never saw someone use Tower Sheild over and over, but this is a way to get rid of all the sheilds.

Use Earthquake! It takes out every sheild an enemy casts.

I think treasure cards are fine, in general. I feel the problem comes when other players use Stun or Beguile excessively. Beguile used to NOT work in the area, and now it does. Beguile especially become problematic for the team going second. So it truly becomes an unfair match. As for stunning, whether first or second, it also does not seem right when the other team is chain stunned, and does not even get a chance to play. It is unethical play like this, that some wizards use to elevate their PVP ranks. It's a dilemma for those how would like to play a fair match.